If You'd Prefer to Read: Here is a transcript of what we chatted about in the interview:

Ramatu: ... nothing. I started my job search way before December. I was graduating December 2017. I started my job search way before December, it was probably October or November-time. I was applying for jobs, but not getting any results. And then after I graduated, I start applying ... I would get interviews, and I would go in there, and they would grill me. And sometimes, I would think I did good. Sometimes, I'm just like, "Okay, I don't think I got it, at all." And even if I go through the second stage, they don't even call me.

Ramatu: So I was stuck in interviewing or just getting a random "you don't qualify" email.

Natalie: And how long did you do that for? Several months?

Ramatu: For a long time. That's basically what I know before I actually ran into your ... I would actually go into the company's website, fill out application. Or I would just go through Indeed. Open it up ... I've sent so many Indeed application, the resume, and they just send it. I updated my LinkedIn profile.

Ramatu: I actually went to see a career coach here, and she went through my resume, and she was like, "Oh!... " This was before I graduated, actually. She was like, "Oh, you will get a job in no time." And I'm like, "Oh, okay."

Natalie: They always say that, and then it's proven a lot harder, isn't it?

Ramatu: Yeah. She looked at it, she was like, "Oh, you're good." She sent me a lot of links about where I can apply for jobs and all that. It was just one of those things like, okay, well, I took her word for it. But then after several months of going through it, I was like, "I need something else."

Natalie: So what was the thing that caused you to spend the money on the program, because a lot of people would say that it's expensive? What would you say was your biggest reason for spending that money?

Ramatu: Basically, because I was just believing that if I get a job, I know I'm going to be able to pay back. In my head, I was sitting here, I was like, "If I'm going to get what I need to get a job, based on just getting that information for me to get where I'm going, I know for a fact I may not get a job, but I will be earning enough to, basically, pay it back within whatever time period." So for me, it was worth it, because I'm like, "Okay, she know what she's talking about. She helped gotten all these people to get a job. There is no reason why I cannot be one of them. I know for a fact if I just go on a payment plan, the minute I get a job, I'll be able to start making enough money to pay back this whole thing because it won't be an issue."

Natalie: You signed up just two months ago, actually. I checked; you signed up November 11th.

Ramatu: Yes.

Natalie: So it took you less than a month to get your job. You've already started, you're already training ... because it's not even December 11th yet, so.

Ramatu: I know, not yet.

Natalie: So how many months was it before that? Because you said it was last November that you graduated, in 2017?

Ramatu: Last December.

Natalie: So you were job searching for almost a year, a full year. Does that sound right?

Ramatu: Yes. Actually, I've been searching for a year because I was searching for jobs, hoping that once I graduated I would just start. But that wasn't the case, so I literally was searching for a year.

Natalie: And then after starting the program, literally less than a month, you're already in your new role.

Ramatu: Yeah. And I took all your advice. And the major thing that ... I think there were a lot of major things. One of the main thing that helps when I started your whole course, when I saw your video, when you were talking about you have to create your own opportunity.

Natalie: Looking back at what you've been able to do now, what you've been able to achieve after you signed up for the program, would you say that it was worth it?

Ramatu: It was, because financially, I'm stable. I can depend on whatever amount I'm making right now. I have good health insurance. Even after they take it out of my paycheck and all of that, I still have more money left than I was making in the past. I actually sent my friend a text message and was like, "This is great."

Ramatu: I didn't even have anything taken out of my paycheck, and I was making, literally, $888 each paycheck. Right now, with over, I think, four or five hundred or more taken out of my paycheck, I'm still making more than my regular bi-weekly paycheck from my previous job.

Natalie: Crazy. So you doubled, tripled, yeah. You doubled your job.

Ramatu: It was worth it. I'm like, "There's no reason why I felt like ... " If I would have done it all over again, I wish I would have found your program first and just realized that there are ways to get people to notice you. If you're spending all your money doing all this stuff and wasting time, why don't you spend that time going through a course ... your time and money going through a course that might guarantee you a really solid job, and you don't have to worry about paying for the program? You don't have to worry about all of that because, in the long run, you're going to be making more than ... Actually, you're probably going to be making more than where you are, anyway, in the beginning, because if you're actually starting to look for a job and thinking you need something better, there is one way to do it. Just sign up, follow Dina's direction, and do your homework, because that's the best thing. If you just sign up and don't do your part, you're not going to get any result.

Ramatu: It's not going anywhere. I was hoping, I was praying, I'm like, "God, please don't make me go into year two not having a job." But after I find you, I was like, "You know what? I'm just going to invest in it because I've been wasting money 

on these little things like subscribing to LinkedIn, getting my application put in into Indeed." All of those things are just a waste of time because there are other people there, like you said, doing the same thing.

Ramatu: So why don't you just take a different route. Yes, it costs a little bit more, but like I said before, it's your investment. It's your money, it's your investments. You just need to think about it as you're investing in your life, you're investing in your future, because when you get that job, it's going to pay you more than what you're actually paying to be in this actual program. And you probably won't worry about it because before you know it, you'll be making enough to pay it off, and you're like, "Okay, I'm good." And you can keep the program for good and get back in there if you need to change that job to a higher-paying job.

Natalie: You can. It's totally true.

Ramatu: Yeah, it's your investment, it's your life. And if I were them, I would just make ... I would not change it for no one. I wish I would have found you sooner.

Ramatu: And that is so great though, because I feel like I'm more comfortable there, I get to have a lot, a lot of training. I think it actually is a really good fit. I've been having so much fun working with my ... because they have two teams-